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None of the electricity pylons (towers) or poles I have surveyed (in UK) have notices saying what the voltage of the line is.

Is it possible to determine the voltage being used from the shape or size of the pylons, poles or cable insulators? If so are pictures or a reference source available?
How else might voltage information be obtained?

asked 13 Sep '11, 13:03

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I don't worry about recording what I don't know. I asked the question as I didn't know how the voltage information shown for some lines in the UK on was collected.

(14 Sep '11, 13:20) srbrook

Did you see the recommendations on Key:power?

National Grid call the things "towers" as they're free-standing, but common usage seems to be "pylon"

In the UK, each power line appears to have a two character identifier and each tower along that line appears to be numbered. For example ZM is the West Weybridge to Chessington line, and each tower is numbered ZM 1, ZM 2, etc. I propose that these be recorded, if known, for each tower with the ref tag. For example: power=tower, ref=ZM 35.

In the UK there is a hierarchy of power lines that is easy to identify. Most are identifiable over long distances which makes them useful for navigation. Other countries follow very similar schemes (not surprising as the design is constrained by the same physics and economics). Starting at the low-voltage end, we have:

  • Wooden poles carrying four wires on small ceramic insulators, or bundles of insulated cables twisted together. These lines are usually 400 V between phases, which directly provide the domestic 230 V supply. Most of these follow roads and paths.
  • Wooden poles with two or three widely-spaced bare wires on large insulators having one or two plates. These lines are 11,000 volts - often used for distribution in rural areas.
  • Wooden poles with three bare wires on multi-plate insulators are 45,000 V between phases - usually on higher and more substantial poles, sometimes poles are used in pairs.
  • Metal towers carrying a set of single wires (usually three plus an earth wire on top) are 132,000 V. These are gradually disappearing.
  • Towers with three or six double wires are 275,000 V
  • Towers with three or six quadruple wires are 400,000 V
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answered 19 Oct '11, 19:00

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I recommend not worrying about it - there are plenty of more useful things to map than what voltage a power cable is.

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answered 13 Sep '11, 13:19

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Is it really necessary to record the voltages? The result of doing so is to have "CAVIDOTTO (400000 VOLT)" written large across the complete width of the screen of my Garmin GPS60 as I approach powerlines. A bit offputting when trying to navigate.

(18 Sep '11, 15:31) chrisboucher

I would only expect it to do that if somebody has put the voltage in the name, and even then you would have to chosen to include the names of power lines (an odd thing to do) when the Garmin map was generated.

I suspect that your problem is really with the author the style sheet used to render your Garmin maps.

(18 Sep '11, 15:34) TomH ♦♦

First, remember that you don't have to record the voltage for power lines. You can omit any information from OpenStreetMap that is too difficult/dangerous to collect.

However, if you do want to record the information, you can tell the voltage by the type of pole/pylon used. Search engines is your friend in identifying which is which.

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answered 13 Sep '11, 13:56

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edited 13 Sep '11, 15:08

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Usually it is true that higher voltages have bigger/higher towers, but concrete sizes and shapes are very country specific and even within one country various types are used for the same voltage (eg. straight, direction change...). I have no idea how they look in UK.
Commonly there are only a few voltages used - this makes it easier to guess in the Czech Republic it is 400V, 22kV, 110kV, 200kV and 400kV. You can look here for some pictures (in czech).
Each power line will have start and end: a power plant, some power station or a transformer. On transformers it is usually written what voltages they transform.
Unfortunately there is no easy universal solution to get the voltage by looking at the poles/wires.

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answered 13 Sep '11, 14:13

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I wouldn't rely absolutely on the following as it is recalled from college a fair while ago!

In the UK the National Grid operates at three voltages: 132Kv, 275Kv and 400Kv. Distribution at higher voltages is more prone to losses and problems caused by corona discharge. To reduce this, the effective diameter of the individual transmission cable is increased. This is achieved by adding more 'wires' to create a bundle conductor. 132Kv is usually distributed using single strand cables. 220Kv use pairs and 400Kv uses quads. This is only relevant on the National Grid using pylon towers and is a guide rather than an absolute truth! (And, yes, I'm aware of some transmission lines using triples - I've no idea when these are used!)

I wouldn't tag using the above info.

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answered 14 Sep '11, 19:46

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try looking at the insulators, the higher the voltage the larger the number of insulators between the tower and the conductor. The insulators are the glass dishes hanging from the tower crossarm points and connecting to the conductor


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answered 18 Oct '11, 21:53

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Hi, roughly estimating you can count 100kV for every meter of insulator. But dont try to climb up and measure it ;-)

But many power lines may hang on older insulators with the ability for more voltage (not the other way round).

To be sure, you should have a deeper look at the lines just outside a sub station. Lines of the same voltage come together at the same part of the sub station, connected by busbars. If a sub station is fed by several voltages, you find a transformer between the parts of that sub station. A 110kV-to-medium-voltage transformer has the size of a garage, while 220/110kV and 380/110kV are quiet larger.


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answered 19 Oct '11, 12:48

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