A new user has been adding a few new bicycle routes, that seem to have been developed informally on various online communities, like facebook, ridewithgps, and others. I am concerned that this editor may be misunderstanding the scope of OSM, and is using it as an central part in a decentralized route sharing initiative. Or at least adding routes based on their own options, with no official backing.

Am I correct that route relations should only refer to officially designated routes, and proposed ones should only be officially proposed ones?

edit: Here's a link to the changeset where the majority of the conversation has taken place, https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88962380, with other topics are covered also

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"state=proposed" would be a poor way of indicating that a route is proposed. A tag like that puts the burden on the data consumer to consciously process such a tag and determine whether the route actually exists or not. If the data consumer doesn't consider the "state" tag, then the route would seem to be active. A better way would be to use a lifecycle prefix, so the route would be tagged "proposed:route=bicycle". That shifts the burden and makes the route inactive by default, so it isn't accidentally shown as being active. If a data consumer is interested in proposed routes, they can choose to include it if they wish.

(07 Aug, 22:10) alester

You mentioned in a comment the same test that I would use:

"It seems to me that the route should at least be proposed by an organization that has the capability to signpost the route."

Other than that, I would simply remove the "casually proposed" routes from OpenStreetMap completely.

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Generally speaking routes should be signposted or otherwise marked in real life to make them verifiable. Whether they are "official" or not is not particularly relevant to OSM. Personal favourite routes etc. generally shouldn't be added unless they are also marked.

There has been debate over the years to what extent unmarked routes that "everyone local knows about" should be included, but no clear consensus as far as I'm aware. There has been some mapping of proposed public roads, but this is not without controversy either.

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To clarify, when I say "not particularly relevant" I mean to determine whether to include them, tags for network and or operator are or course welcome per the wiki.

(07 Aug, 21:03) InsertUser
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I'm talking about proposed routes, so as such they wouldn't be signposted yet. There is no intention to signpost this route at any time, other than the hope that if he/she/they do a good enough job maybe one day they will approach municipalities, or the Canada Bikes Association, with the hopes of getting it approved, and then possibly signposted.

It seems to me that the route should at least be proposed by an organization that has the capability to signpost the route. A loose group of people talking on facebook, with the hope to get other groups to do the actual signposting seems insufficient to me.

(08 Aug, 01:40) keithonearth
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I'd suggest that there should be a pretty high bar for proposed routes of any sort to be in OSM - perhaps (a) it's actually got funding to be built, (b) there isn't significant opposition that might stop it being built and (c) it will actually be signed when it is built.

Without those caveats all sorts of "pet project" and "hobby horse" routes will end up in OSM and will just sit there, because in the real world they're never going to happen.

(08 Aug, 02:07) SomeoneElse ♦

Personally I don't bother with proposals, official or otherwise. They seem to so rarely come to fruition or end up being nothing like the original layout. Roads can take decades. Sustrans (cycling UK) has 'proposals' longer than your arm.

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