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How do I map a bus stop that is not marked in any way? I am mapping a bus stop that does not have a post, a sign or any other physical indicator - however, in all other ways it is a regular bus stop: buses do stop there regularly, the bus stop appears on official timetables, and the bus stop on the opposite side of the road (which is marked) has a note indicating that some buses stop on the opposite side. The wiki page for highway=bus_stop just says:
However there is no information on how to tag this. I would think this information is important, because otherwise people who see the bus stop on a map and want to use it will be looking out for a sign that is not there. Is there a tag like |
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Hi sleske, I don't see any formal documentation on it, but it seems that adding I'd probably also add something like Hm,
(17 Oct '19, 12:53)
sleske
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It happens quite often in rural areas. When I face this situation, I just tag the public_transport=paltform with shelter=no, pole=no, source=*. Anyway, current rendering won't make any difference. But it's good to put the information in the database for future use. Even in urban area of developing countries. Where I live, a city of 200 000 inhabitants, most of the bus stops are such: there's absolutely nothing (no sign, no platform, no shelter, no bench), all that might help you know there's a bus stop is just that you will see several people waiting, then you ask them: "Does the bus stop here?". I've been mapping them as normal bus stops (without putting platform, bench and shelter of course)
(23 Aug '19, 05:10)
Privatemajory
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Hi Sleske, It is a strange phenomenal, what still only can be found in rural area's, for instance in Scandinavia. If you walk along a main road and put your hand up the bus driver will make a local stop and if you ask him to stop elsewhere, he would do so as well. Just like at any other time and place, but nowadays a bus driver has to get and keep his schedule at all times stealth stops are no part of it. IMHO you could tag the route of a bus line with that option or possibillity and not a specific place, like my uncle's farm. With the tag informal stop=yes 1
This type of bus behavior is called "hail and ride" -- the rider can choose where to board and where to disembark the bus, anywhere along a given section. There's a special way to tag this:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hail_and_ride
In short, instead of adding stops, you add the section of road to a bus route relation and use I don't think this is applicable to sleske's question, though. It sounds like this situation is a normal bus stop in a fixed location, just without a sign. (Of course there could also be "hail and ride" along this same section; having fixed bus stop locations doesn't preclude that.)
(21 Aug '19, 15:41)
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There are also plenty of unmarked bus stops where you need to know where they are in order to catch the bus (usually in out-of-the-way places in the country, but sometimes when a route has changed but the signage hasn't caught up, or when there is a bus stop (flag) on one side of the road but not the other). In the UK Naptan dataset these are called Customary stops; they have been imported in many areas into OSM, but not tagged with highway=bus_stop. Hail-and-ride sections have in the past been marked this way but this is inaccurate and really a legacy of inadequate data systems being owned by PT providers.
(22 Aug '19, 18:46)
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