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Hi,

Is that possible to use a tag to identify some shops that are part of a local organization?

I'm working for a local organization that explains to storekeepers that some customers would like to buy products without packaging (bulk products) to reduce their amount of waste generated. The organization certifies the shops once the storekeeper understands this purpose and accepts that customers buy some products (meat, vegetables...) with their own wrapping solutions (could be a jar, a re-used paper bag...).

Do you think it would be best to use a local tag like <organization_name>_certified or a more generic tag like: customer_wrapping_solutions_accepted?

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asked 10 Feb '18, 21:21

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For me something generic like customer_wrapping_solutions_accepted=yes seem to be the better way to go. Who should know all the possibly thousands of local organizations who might issue such "certificates". Plus it has a slight touch of being spam to add some organization's name to shops.

I just do not know what a good tag key might be.

Some ideas:

  • customer_wrapping_solutions_accepted=yes
  • bring_your_own_packaging=yes
  • bring_your_own_containers=yes
  • byop=yes
  • bulk_buy=yes
  • zero_waste_buy=yes

After some searching with taginfo I also found keys which are already in use:

So, after all, I would suggest to use bulk_purchase=yes or (if the shop only has this form of shopping) bulk_purchase=only.

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answered 10 Feb '18, 22:08

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edited 13 Feb '18, 08:02

I don't think bulk purchase is right: from the description the quanity of goods might be small, just not packaged. Whatever tag is used, I'd suggest suitable_tag_scheme="Name of Organisation" as a way to allow for a variety of schemes.

(12 Feb '18, 16:09) SK53 ♦

@SK53 from what I understood, bulk_purchase should mean this. As said on the wiki talk page over there, I think, too, that the key might be misleading because of the two meanings in English. But do we want to invent a new tag now? We already have a established base of 88.

I do not understand your proposed tag, could you detail on that? An example? Maybe write an own "answer" for this.

(13 Feb '18, 07:40) aseerel4c26 ♦

For me bulk_purchase is different than "bring_your_own_containers=yes".

As said in the Wiki page of the bulk_purchase tag : "This is meant as a principle. Not every supermarket that sells bananas without plastic bags around them is a bulk purchase shop.".

So a small shop that accepts that customers bring their own containers to buy bananas wouldn't have the bulk_purchase tag, but the shop could have the "bring_your_own_containers" tag.

(24 Apr '18, 20:30) AJojo44

Hi,

I would like to relaunch this discussion. After a long thought, I think we need to distinguish different kinds of behaviours:

1) the shops that sell bulk products and the customer can decide if he wants to use the shop's packaging or not. The customer doesn't need to ask not to have the packaging because he can pick the product up himself without the need of someone. That's the case when the shop uses this kind of boxes that the customer can directly use:

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2) the shops that sell bulk products but where someone, often a shop assistant or seller, will package it automatically when buying the product. This shops are shops like bakery, butcher's, coffee roasted, cake shop... Some of these shops will accept that the customers use their own packages but the difference with the previous category is that the customer needs to ask the seller for this service. Also that's often something that is not visible from the outsite of the shop, or even inside the shop without talking with a seller. In some cases the shops accepting that customers uses their own packaging are identified with a sticker like this one (from the Zero Waste organization) and visible by the customers without asking:

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For the first category, I propose to use the tag bulk_purchase and for the second one, I propose to create a new tag bring_your_own_container with values no, yes and only.

This solution is a mix of what @aseerel4c26 proposed and the bulk_purchase tag, making a distinction.

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This board is not very suitable for discussions. You might get more opinions and a better discussion on the Tagging mailing list or in the OSM forum (although the English speaking community is not very active there). A discussion on this topic is currently happening in the German forum if you happen to speak/read that language.

(04 Jun, 10:05) TZorn

Thank you for the advice. I've just created a post on the french forum to improve the reflection and I'll submit it for approval to the tagging mailing list when it will look mature enough.

(04 Jun, 21:37) AJojo44
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