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Names of China and Taiwan seems not to be matching the documentation. As I understand it, the Here's the difference between what I think should be mapped (according to the OSM Wiki documentation and Wikipedia articles) and what is currently mapped:
I'm really tempted to modify the data straight away but I thought it might be better to have an agreement with the community as it is about country names which I consider to be quite an important data. Thanks to Supaplex, I am now aware of an edit war going on between using “Taiwan” or “Republic of China” in the name tag of the relation object. Here are my thoughts (in favor of “Taiwan”):
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I'm a Taiwanese mapper, you can see my user name of one of the history version related to Taiwan relation. I commented on changeset for the one who use "中華民國" (Republic of China) as name, set "臺灣" (Taiwan) as alt_name, but he didn't response. Afraiding of editing war I didn't change back immediately, and start a discussion on Hackpad (in Chinese). Unfortunately there's few one response. I think using Taiwan as common name is common sense, as a citizen we use the official national name few. Some of my mapper friends think it as well. The local mappers community in Taiwan is aware of this situation, but we're mainly focus on more local stuff like drawing missing roads. Thanks both for your feedback with local knowledge and efforts on trying to solve the issue. I agree with you and edited my question in order to reflect my arguments. I think we need to find a consensus before editing anything else. Hopefully more people will get involved into the discussion. This is more on the side of the main debate but I think alt_name should contain 台灣.
(16 Jan '16, 10:41)
freayd
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A collection for this point (next to the "Names" article) is created in the OSM wiki about Multilingual_names, and there we even have an example for China. Without having dived into details myself, maybe you can find hints there: Is the OSM data correct, or really needs an update? Or is the documentation in the OSM wiki out-of-date, and the wiki needs a detailes update there? Thanks for your answer but I think we are misunderstanding. I know the multilingual documentation, there's no problem with it, it's up to date. The problem is really about the data which, IMHO, needs to be updated to match what the documentation says about name vs official_name. I've updated my question to include the existing values hoping it's now more obvious.
(12 Jan '16, 13:41)
freayd
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I'm a Taiwanese mapper too. I agree with Wikipedia way to map it. We usually call ourselves as Taiwan, only in official document will name as Republic of China. Perfect, thank you for your help!
(17 Jan '16, 13:22)
freayd
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Many ways:
You can use official goverment sources or documents/bodies (i.e. what does it say on the passport, what does the state owned TV stations use, etc), however that is good for getting the Does changing the name to "Taiwan" confuse people looking for Kinmen and Matsu? Does anyone from Kinmen or Matsu know how you would answer "what country is this?"
(07 Jul '16, 17:25)
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I had raised the issue on Taiwan OpenStreetMap Facebook Group, but few response. And the users response said they prefer using the much commonly use Taiwan in name tag. It's been a long time we discuss the issue. So I change to origin name of Taiwan. I'm open-mind about other option like 臺灣(中華民國) Taiwan(Repulbic of China), or 臺灣/中華民國 Taiwan/Republic of China. |
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A new Chinese Mapper (I think) change Taiwan name to their prefer name "台湾省"(Taiwan Province) https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/38946725 The Taiwanese mapper have already change back the edit. I think its time to determine if we choose the more common use common name "臺灣" for Taiwan |
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In support of free & Open principles, it would be best to stick with Taiwan imo |
did you try to contact the mappers that have set the current names ?
That's actually a good idea. I haven't, it's a bit messy with lots of changesets, I'll try to get in touch with the mappers. Interestingly, the China relation have been named to what I consider correct by a Chinese mapper on this changeset.
Are you actually a local?
No I'm not, I only traveled a few month in both countries. I guess it'll be more interesting to have other Chinese and Taiwanese joining the discussion (even thought it might imply an endless semi-political debate).
It looks like this has been fixed now, name=Taiwan, official_name=Republic of China.