What is the best way to map ATMs that are inside shops and consequentially only accessible during the shops opening hours?

Is it better to tag them with the shop

eg shop=convenience, atm=yes, fee=yes

or separately

eg amenity=atm, fee=yes, note=atm is in shop

I don't know all the shop opening hours

asked 16 May '14, 02:08

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You can tag either the whole building (shop=convenience atm=yes) or a separate node (amenity=atm).

  • The first has the advantage of implicitly sharing the shop's opening times and being simpler to map.
  • The second has the advantage of showing the precise location (but remember that in-shop atms can often move at the shop manager's whim) and enabling micromaping of atm characteristics. But you'll have to map the opening times separately unless openinghours-using programs are more advanced than I think.
  • Puting a note doesn't help much data-wise. It's useful for mappers but not to a program or a simple user. You can tag 'opening_hours=unknown || "same as shop"' (keep the double-quotes in the value) for a more parser-friendly way to say the same thing.

Also, don't tag fee=yes unless you need to pay just to get access to the atm. In my region you can use the atm without paying the shopkeeper, I imagine that's the usual case. Atm transaction fees are a different thing altogether, and would be very complicated to map.

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answered 16 May '14, 10:03

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Fee=yes is a very important tag. Most ATMs are operated by the banks and are free to use, but those that are privately operated, as opposed to owned by banks, often charge.

Whilst including the actual fee is complicated as this will change, suggesting that we leave out the information a map user requires to avoid these machines is vital.

Are you perhaps confusing bank charges here?

(16 May '14, 23:10) trigpoint

ATM usage fees seem to be a regional thing, some countries don't have any.

(17 May '14, 08:55) scai ♦

ATM fees depend on the combination of the ATM operator, whether you're abroad and where, your card operator, and the options subscribed on your bank account. There's just no way it can be mapped reliably in OSM.

(17 May '14, 13:00) Vincent de P... ♦

Some ATMs always have a fee; it's possible to accurately say fee=yes for those.

(17 May '14, 13:17) SomeoneElse ♦

Charges for for using your card abroad are bank charges, not ATM fees.

Certainly in the UK some ATMs, often those in small shops and pubs charge a fee to use them. Often GBP 1.75 or 2.50. These can certainly be mapped accurately in OSM.

In these cases the request to your bank has the fee added, to your request. Personally I would never use an ATM that charges, and certainly want to be able to select a free one and not waste time walking into a shop to find the charge and to then walk out again. And if I find one tag it so others don't waste their time too.

(18 May '14, 01:39) trigpoint

I have tagged them by:

  1. Tracing the building outline
  2. Tagging the building with the shop information
  3. Adding a node inside the building outline and tagging it with the atm information.

I suppose putting a note saying "atm is in shop" would be useful too but the only time I've done that is when the building is so new that I don't have OSM compatible satellite imagery to trace the outline. In that case I have two nodes side by side. One for the shop and the second for the atm with a note tag on the atm saying it is in the shop.

For what it is worth, I do the same thing as tagging for an atm as I do for tagging things like a Starbucks inside a grocery store.

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