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How should you tag pathways in Heritage Sites (eg UK National Trust) which you have to pay admission for? I have seen the tag "customer = yes" or "access = customer(s)" suggested in other contexts and would seem to fit well. "Access = permissive" doesn't seem to fit a closed area which you have to pay to enter, and "private" has the implication of no access at all. I can't seem to find a good example on the maps.

asked 08 Jan '14, 19:35

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In nearly all these cases the paths are on private land

They do not have permissive access rights (where the owner says "I dont mind you walking here, but please be aware I might change my mind"). In practice these paths are private with limited access under certain specific conditions (membership, payment of a fee, opening hours). Use of permissive implies that these are generally routable at all times (subject to any other relevant tags). Therefore I think access=private is the most appropriate general tag.

Fee tags should be set on the area within which the paths run. Only use fee or toll if the fee or toll is specifically for use of the path, for instance High Force (not tagged with fee) or the Aareschlucht (tagged incorrectly IMO with permissive). In general things like Open Air Museums, Gardens, National Trust properties, Stately Homes etc. which charge a fee should have this tagged on their boundary. Customers is ambiguous in this context because this is most usually noted on places such as supermarkets, pubs, restaurants which provide a conditional permissive access, rather than a fee-based one.

There are complications to this approach:

  • Not all paths in an area may be allowed for use by visitors. Some paths will be more private than others.
  • Rendering is not very attractive.

However, I think it is more useful, than current rendering. For instance the Fohn in Meiringen around Christmas meant that walking was an attractive activity (no ski lifts), but current mapping would suggest that the Aareschlucht was an available option (it might be if you jump over the gate, but I don't think this comes in our general meaning of permissive).

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answered 10 Jan '14, 17:43

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The way I look at it, there is some location that prevents someone from walking a path if they have not paid a fee. This would suggest a gate or entrance, if the fee is collected there the toll_booth is probably appropriate and include fee=yes for all, possibly excluding toll_booth as it is implied. The pathways could all be set to permissive/customer.

I can't give recommendations on the choice over permissive/customer. I don't think the guidelines are very well defined here, this includes destination in the context of parking.

Update:: I agree with SK53 that access=private is probably correct.

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answered 09 Jan '14, 01:50

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edited 11 Jan '14, 19:35

At last for parking I would prefer http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee as I know it's very popular here in Germany. Toll also sounds good and both indicate that usual routing engines should avoid such tracks (if user doesn't ignores paying toll).

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answered 08 Jan '14, 21:00

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Hi take access=no toll=yes but have a look here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toll happy mapping. Try to search in the WIKI or type the key words in the blank line on top.

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answered 08 Jan '14, 19:53

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access=no doesn't sound right.

(08 Jan '14, 20:00) scai ♦

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